The US Surgeon General’s recent framework for workplace wellbeing marked a sea change in the way mental health at work is discussed. “For a long time, employers thought, ‘Let's push people to self-care and [employee assistance programs] when there's mental-health concerns,’” says clinical psychologist Joe Grasso, the senior director of workplace transformation at the workforce mental-health platform Lyra Health. “Now I think employers are recognizing the workplace itself shapes mental health.”

We spoke with Grasso about what it means for employers to take a broader view of employee mental-health support. Here is a transcript of our conversation, lightly edited for length and clarity:

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